US LEND/LEASE

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Go to Hell, Eagle.
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I must wait and see what my friends thinks about this.
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I love it, nice work Eagle
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US LEND/LEASE

Post by adlertag » Thu Jul 28, 2005 5:34 pm

US LEND/LEASE OPTION.

USA should be able to give UK 5 ipc each turn, and give USSR 5 ipc each turn.

This lend/lease ipc must be represented by a plastic piece.
Eagle Games's "War! Age of Imperialism" has a nice Port-piece, moldet as a wooden box, barrel and anchor, in neutral grey colour. This plastic piece fits perfect as a "IPC-unit". Just cannabilaze it.

This IPC-unit will face the same cargo limit as land units, one Tranny convoy two ipc-units over Atlantic to UK and USSR ports.

And there, in the middle of Atlantic, the Tranny face the German sub menace. And in this case subs roll a dice of 8 or less (D12) for hits against any Trannies that are not escorted by a matching destroyer, on a one-to-one basis.

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Post by Imperious leader » Thu Jul 28, 2005 6:17 pm

I love it Eagle, but it should or something like it should apply in A/A Europe and Pacific. In fact Japan should get money (oil) from the dutch indies because thats the main reason why they are at war anyway, so in a similiar fashion money should flow into Tojos pockets. This follows that transports now carry the IPC and can be sunk . I think 5 IP is too little, more like 10 IP seems best, while one transport can load 5 IP on lend lease.
We really need an Axis and Allies World War one game so i can play that on August 1st, 2014.

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Post by adlertag » Fri Jul 29, 2005 4:40 am

Imperious leader wrote:I love it Eagle, but , but, but..... :roll: .
Sure, mr. Leader.

Your buts indicate you should voted second option.

This Lend/Lease unit (a plastic piece moldet as box,barrel and anchor) represent all the weapons/ammo/supply that US sent overseas to places like UK and USSR.
One of this units equals 5 IPC and will be convoyed on a Tranny, wich is object to sub menace by Hun Wolfpacks.

In A&A Europe this Lend/Lease option is represented in the rule that says every US/UK units that move into USSR territory is switched over to a Russian unit next turn.
In A&A 3ed its even worse, the UK/US units in USSR territory is still under command of the UK/US players.

Larry's first mission with his A&A line is Education, and what gamemechanic doctrine will model the historic Lend/Lease best ?
1. A plastic piece moldet as box/barrel/anchor to represent stuff that are convoyed overseas.
2. US/UK infantry units representing an army of 100 000 men with guns suddenly switch side and join the commi cause as soon they reach Russian soil.
3.Capitalistic US/UK army groups have freedom of movement on Red Russian territories. Gives my soon the impression that Stalin let British soldiers atttack places like East Europe and Balkan from Russian soil, while the US soldiers tradet with the red native farmers.

Mr Leader, as far as I am concerned Borneo never sent Lend/Lease or any other kind of aid to Japan during this time period.
Any oil rule, and this issue is heavily debated in other threads, will only be map clutter.
So let it go, IL. Cut your hair and get a day-job. :lol:

FYI, this Lend/Lease option must not be confused with the ENR and COnvoy-zone debat.
After 3 months of heavily playtesting (I always do my duty) my conclusion is that Griffy's "Total War Economy"-doctrine is best suited for A&A Advanced. Convoy zones will be map clutter.
We will get IPC-income from
*Territories. (Traditional way)
*Neutral Ports (Trade with Neutrals)
*Sea-zones. (This is "wet territories" with international trade routes.)
See Griffy's posts under "3th stage sub-debat" and "Revised forum" for further information.

Enough. :wink:

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Post by Imperious leader » Fri Jul 29, 2005 2:10 pm

Mr Leader, as far as I am concerned Borneo never sent Lend/Lease or any other kind of aid to Japan during this time period.
No they didnt and i didnt post that they did. In fact the OIL thing is not lend lease at all. They represent the OIL exports that were critical to Japans propensity to fight a war at all. It should be represented with something besides the IP value (which is too low). My idea would be a possible solution. But the level of YOUR own ideas for lend lease for the allies are no less important than this OIL idea for Japan. Without lend lease Soviet Union could still make it and win, while Japan could not win ever w/o that damm OIL.
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Post by adlertag » Fri Jul 29, 2005 2:53 pm

Wow, lots of passion here. Are you a Japs-lover ?

In this advanced game we will get IPC income from 3 sources:
*Territories (the traditional way)
*Neutrals Ports (reflect trade with neutrals or pro-belligerent)
*Sea-zones (wet-territories that reflect income from international trade and colonies.)

In the new map the sea-zone out of Borneo will have an IPC-value of 2.
Put your national token on this sea-zone and get 2 IPC income.
Then experience how your opponent will try to takeover control of this sea-zone with his surface combat ships, or lower your income from this sea-zone with his submarines.

However, to improve A&A Revised 3ed. Griffy suggested to let USA get 15 IPC free each turn as Lend/Lease, and convoy 5 of this IPC to UK, 5IPC to USSR , both through Atlantic, and 5 IPC to China through Pacific. This convoys would be subject to Hun wolfpack submarin menace.

To balance this he also suggested to let Borneo/NEI get 10 IPC free each turn to reflect the oil, and let Japan try to convoy this stuff home through the Yankee wolfpack menace.

If you fancy this option you really should cannabalize the nice Port plastic piece from Eagle Games "War! Age of Imperialism". Its a wooden box, barrel and an anchor in grey colour, its a real beauty. Let this piece represent 5 IPC . Luckily one Tranny seems to be able to cargo one IPC unit. Let me talk to Larry to be sure, and I let you know.

Do you see the difference ?
A&A Revised dont have any options for naval raids by subs against convoys. So it need this homebreew.
Advanced will get sea-zones with IPC income, and this will cover the Borneo case, but not the Lend/Lease.

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Post by Imperious leader » Fri Jul 29, 2005 3:06 pm

Can you email me something, because i want to share some new rules with you that have alot of the basic ideas you keep harping about for years now and i want you to see how they all look together with plenty of playtesting behind them.
We really need an Axis and Allies World War one game so i can play that on August 1st, 2014.

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Post by adlertag » Sat Jul 30, 2005 10:10 am

Your present profile dont have any E-mail or Webside.

What happened to Gamedreamer ?

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Post by Imperious leader » Sat Jul 30, 2005 2:32 pm

Oh good lord... support@advancedaxisandallies.com or you know a private message is also possible. Do you not yet know how to use this feature?
We really need an Axis and Allies World War one game so i can play that on August 1st, 2014.

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