Building a web site.

I’m considering building (actually having built for me) a web site. I’d like your collective suggestions on how this should look. What it must have/ what it should avoid. I’m admittedly new to this planet and need your guidance
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Post by elbowmaster » Fri Dec 31, 2004 11:38 am

it really depends what larry is looking for...

i host my own web server on an old P133 packed with ram...you dont need some complex company hosting your stuff...they are the reasons why we have this crazy pop up problem we have now...those things are annoying...

there is also a monthly fee involved...why pay it if you dont need to...my crappy web server has had 0 issues, rare down time, and has never been infected in the over 3 years its been up...

just like a car dealer, if a pc tech or company thinks you dont know what you want or what your doing, 9 -10 times your gonna get taken...

again, depends on larry...

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Post by Zero Pilot » Fri Dec 31, 2004 11:43 am

I know you're talking about building a whole new site... the complete "Larry Harris Experience" as it were.

But even as far as getting this message board listed into various search engines (for promotion and more visitors) there are a couple ways you can go. You can go to the search engine site in question and add your URL/site/pages/keywords yourself:

http://www.google.com/addurl.html

Google is the biggest search engine by far with probably 75% of all internet searches being done through them. And actually only about half a dozen search engines probably generate 95% of all search traffic out there (Yahoo is another biggie). If you only went with 2, go with Google and Yahoo.

To be included in various search engine sites there is also a resource called ODP, or Open Directory Project which acts like a library database for sites and accepts/lists them for free:

http://www.dmoz.org/

Just click on the link "submit URL". This is not a direct listing to any particular search engine per se. Rather, the various search engines get some of their search content from this Open Directory database. On the site above they state:

"If your site has been accepted into the Open Directory, it may take anywhere from 2 weeks to several months for your site to be listed on partner sites which use the Open Directory data, such as AOL Search, Google, Netscape Search, Yahoo Search, and hundreds of other sites."

There are also services available to do this for you en masse, I guess depending how much spare time you have to spend visiting search sites doing such things yourself. Some are free:

http://metanetpromotions.com/

This one for example only requires you put a link on your site somewhere that links back to their service. Others may want a banner ad or something similar.

There are also premium pay services to sumbit your site to the various search engines. Seems the pay thing starts to play heavily into whether your site comes up at the top of a search or buried on page 3147. It also depends how popular (or common) your search "keywords" are in the first place too.

For instance, searching for "Larry Harris" wouldn't have near as much "competition" as searching for Axis and Allies. He-he... I see that a "Larry Harris" Goggle search comes up with a political columnist, a germ warefare specialist, a marine biologist and so on. (Wow, did you know there are Larry Harris Mardi Gras posters? What were you up to?)

But seriously you probably woudn't be too far off the top of the list in a search for your name even without paying a special service. Now for a simple "Axis and Allies" search... well, a free listing may find yourself piled behind many retail gaming "shopping cart" style sites who do pay for such a search listing service. Here's where the popularity of your creation may come back to haunt you.

Picking your "keywords" for a search is rather important. But given the choices I guess it all depends what your after, and how much time you want to spend getting and keeping listed with the various search engines. Or whether or not you'd rather just pay a fee for a premium service to take care of all the legwork (and hopefully places you near the top of the search results for that premium).

I'd start by listing this site with Google and the ODP project for now, while you think about the other options for the future LH "mega-site". Most webhosting services include search engine promotion as part of the package, something to keep in mind if shopping around. More information on the various options of promoting a website can be found here (and other places):

http://www.apromotionguide.com/

Hope this helps. ~ZP
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Post by TMTM » Fri Dec 31, 2004 11:48 am

elbow are you talking about using your home computer as a server? I think having your own server is grand... but what if say Larry goes on vacation and the power goes out or his connection has trouble... a host company has several servers and people to keep them up running at all times and keeps a backup of your site if the server should fail. I really don't know much about having a server setup at home.. it might be cheaper but with my sites I run a business and if they go down I lose money/sales. All I know is webhosting.. that's why I might be against having my own server. Your way might be better!

I use www.100megswebhosting.com for $50 every 6 month's. I have email setup with it. Larry could have say larry@harrisgamedesign.com
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Post by elbowmaster » Fri Dec 31, 2004 11:52 am

to piggy back off of skypilot...

when you register your DNS name, or your IP address that resolves to your site name, that company usually does that search generation for you...and having a unique search, ie larry harris - axis & allies...your a little late on the web thing, lots of axis & allies room titles out there, but mine makes it on the top if you seach on elbowmaster...so your could too...

but as for a site that i feel is one of the more impressive ones out there now...id check this site out, though it takes some time to originally load, its an outstanding site...its a slow loader, he probably has limited bandwidth...but worth the wait...

http://www.michaeldoyle.com/AoM.html

i bet you could get this guy to create yours, unless your wanting to take that on your self...its not that hard, all you need is a good web editor and some time...like anything else, the more you do the better you get...

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Post by elbowmaster » Fri Dec 31, 2004 11:56 am

no i use a home pc as a server, and i have 4 other pc's on my network here in my 2 bedroom apartment...im posting from a different computer than where you visit my site...

i dont have a monthly fee...and once its set up, it runs on its own, gets backed up, really very inexpensive and easy to maintain...

ill be it ive done this for a living...so its easy for me, but it could be easy for anyone with the correct information...

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Post by TMTM » Fri Dec 31, 2004 11:56 am

Pay per click is the quickest way to the top of the search results for any keyword you want... www.overture.com they put you in the area called Sponsored Links on sites like Yahoo and Msn.com.

Google also has a per per click setup.

Getting your site listing high for free you need a some key ingredients: meta tags with the keyword you want to come up under, links to your site on other sites... this builds a link score with the major search engines and I think this will happen in the long term... A&A fans will link to Larry's site which will help build this. I've had successs with MSN's www.bcentral.com Submit It! program.

edited: Oop's www.bcentral.com doesnt work any more... they moved it to http://www.submit-it.com/
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Post by TMTM » Fri Dec 31, 2004 12:01 pm

elbow good deal! I have no experience with setting a server like you have... it may be just as easy as webhosting.

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Post by elbowmaster » Fri Dec 31, 2004 12:01 pm

search results are also based on the number of hits to your site...

and its important to pay for a domain name for more than a year...

ive registered elbowmaster.com for 5 years, and have the option to increase the time...i think i paid 40 bucks a year for them to add to their DNS table and to give me excellent cloaking tools, email addresses...etc...

you may want to buy the .com, .net, .whatever as well

otherwise you get some character using www.elbowmaster.de

:shock:

i wrote the guy who spoofed my name and gave him a hard time, now i see hes registered his business name...too funny...but when you search on elbowmaster...well, the rest is history...
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